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Traveller-digest    Wednesday, December 29 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1602<BR>
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(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.<BR>
All rights reserved.<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
<BR>
Re: Vilani Elvis<BR>
Re Knoll vs Gnoll<BR>
Re: Re Knoll vs Gnoll<BR>
The #1 embarrasment of Solomani Genetic Research<BR>
Re: graphics<BR>
Re: Art and attraction<BR>
Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
Re: Honorary Kills<BR>
Re: Review: The Naked God by Peter F Hamilton<BR>
Re: Keyboard kills & misc<BR>
Re: Art and attraction<BR>
Y2k/Virus protection<BR>
Re: Art and attraction<BR>
Re: Re Image Formats<BR>
Re: Drawing Program<BR>
Santanocheev, the man...<BR>
Vs: Vilani Elvis<BR>
Help!  Need characters!<BR>
Iolanthe<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:30:19 -0600<BR>
From: eris@pcola.gulf.net<BR>
Subject: Re: Vilani Elvis<BR>
<BR>
On 12/29/99 at 07:39 AM,  cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com> said:<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>Finland has already contributed to the international cultural scene,<BR>
>albeit something generally found only in sleazy nightclub environments:<BR>
>Lapp dancing.<BR>
<BR>
I suppose that's *one* way to keep warm. <BR>
<BR>
Eris<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:36:39 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re Knoll vs Gnoll<BR>
<BR>
>From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
<BR>
>Hmmm... the Uplifted hyena, cunning, but otherwise <BR>
>none too bright. And they laugh at anything... The #1<BR>
<BR>
>hidden embarrasment of Solomani Genetic Research...<BR>
<BR>
Great idea -- I think I'll steal it.  <BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
<BR>
I am never forget <BR>
First time I meet the great Grandfather.<BR>
In one word he teach me key to success in Traveller:<BR>
Plagiarize!<BR>
Plagiarize! plagiarize! plagiarize!<BR>
Let no one else's work evade your eyes!<BR>
Remember why the good Lord made your eyes!<BR>
So don't shade your eyes, <BR>
But plagiarize, plagiarize, plagiarize!<BR>
Only be sure always you call it please, research.<BR>
<BR>
- --with apologies to Tom Lehrer<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:48:32 -0600<BR>
From: Black ICE <wombat@premier.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Knoll vs Gnoll<BR>
<BR>
Glenn Goffin wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
> <BR>
> >Hmmm... the Uplifted hyena, cunning, but otherwise<BR>
> >none too bright. And they laugh at anything... The #1<BR>
> <BR>
> >hidden embarrasment of Solomani Genetic Research...<BR>
> <BR>
> Great idea -- I think I'll steal it.<BR>
<BR>
~images of the Weasel Patrol from "Who Framed Roger Rabbit"~<BR>
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"Gold-Plated [tm] solutions for copper-plated problems!" (r)<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:49:01 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: The #1 embarrasment of Solomani Genetic Research<BR>
<BR>
>From: "Jim & Peta Lawrie" <jimpeta@primus.com.au><BR>
>Subject: Re: Re Knoll vs Gnoll<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman had written:<BR>
>>Hmmm... the Uplifted hyena, cunning, but otherwise <BR>
>>none too bright.And they laugh at anything... The #1<BR>
<BR>
>>hidden embarrasment of Solomani Genetic Research...<BR>
<BR>
"Jim & Peta Lawrie" replied:<BR>
>An interesting Traveller species:<BR>
>(Hyenati Corsair Pilot) "Captain, a big fat trader is<BR>
<BR>
>on the screen."<BR>
<BR>
I was initially thinking of just lifting William's<BR>
idea as is, but now I'm thinking a little more. <BR>
Suppose Grandfather tried to uplift hyenas first, but<BR>
found that they were too indolent for his purposes, so<BR>
then he tried wolves, which proved too<BR>
anti-hierarchical, so finally he tried humans, which<BR>
were none too successful for their own reasons (not<BR>
lucky enough, I think).  So now we have say a 400,000<BR>
year old culture of uplifted hyenas that may or may<BR>
not have interstellar travel living probably somewhere<BR>
in the Spinward Marches - Gvurrdon area.  There are<BR>
all sorts of possibilities with that.<BR>
<BR>
But wait, like the Ginsu knife, there's more.  Suppose<BR>
Solomani Genetic Research has been trying to duplicate<BR>
the uplift of wolves that led to the Vargr race with<BR>
the objective of eventually destroying the Vargr or<BR>
replacing it with a docile slave race.  OK, wait I<BR>
have to get back to work, but I'm going to daydream on<BR>
these ideas during the day.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 11:43:16 -0800<BR>
From: Russell Bornschlegel <kaleja@estarcion.com><BR>
Subject: Re: graphics<BR>
<BR>
My qualifications: I work in the computer game industry, and have dealt <BR>
with a number of bitmap formats over the last 10 years.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman wrote:<BR>
> .JPG was, at least in early implementations, primarily for scanned files.<BR>
> Almost every scanning program I've encountered either uses TIFF (.TIF) or<BR>
> uncompressed .JPG.<BR>
<BR>
.JPG wasn't specifically conceived for scans; it was designed for any<BR>
purpose where 24-bit color was desired, but lossy compression was <BR>
needed. <BR>
<BR>
> JPEG uses a full width system. I can, if my display supports it, use any<BR>
> 256 colors of the 32 bit pallate in a .GIF; for non-scanned/photographed<BR>
> images, especially those created by direct pixelpopping, 256 colors will be<BR>
> more than sufficient. 256 is one byte; the 32 bit wide is 3 bytes.<BR>
<BR>
You're mistaken on several points. GIF palettes (and most 8-bit/256 <BR>
color palettes you'll encounter) select from a 24-bit gamut (2^24 = <BR>
16 million colors), not a "32-bit palette". "Direct pixelpopping" is <BR>
out of fashion, and today's computer game artists would laugh at you<BR>
if you said "256 colors will be more than sufficient". 256 colors <BR>
is one byte; 32 bits is technically four bytes, not three, but the <BR>
lossy compression used by JPEG means the actual space used per <BR>
pixel can vary widely.<BR>
<BR>
> Additionally, most people I've met don't go the whole 32bit route on their<BR>
> screens; they use 24 bit graphics at best, simply due to the limits of<BR>
> their Video ram.<BR>
<BR>
Incorrect. There is no difference between 32 and 24 bit displays <BR>
(unless you want to talk about destination alpha buffers); the <BR>
use of one or the other generally depends on whether the video<BR>
hardware in question prefers pixels to be aligned on 32-bit <BR>
boundaries for hardware simplification (32 bits/pixel = 4 bytes = <BR>
nice round binary numbers; 24 bits/pixel = 3 bytes = more logic <BR>
needed to address a pixel). <BR>
<BR>
> the whole thread was based around sharing images ON THE WEB. If I'm going<BR>
> to put images on the Web, it becomes VITAL to know the stregths and<BR>
> weaknesses of the various formats. And, for doing things like deckplans,<BR>
> .gifs are generally going to maintain the crisp lines better.<BR>
<BR>
To get back to the GIF-versus-PNG thing, let my throw in my Cr0.02.<BR>
<BR>
Please, please, please use PNG for all your lossless web graphics. <BR>
The reasons? The free Unixoid operating systems (Linux, *BSD) support <BR>
it, it's supported by the major browsers in use today: Opera, IE 4.x, <BR>
and Netscape 4.x, it's *more* flexible than GIF in that it supports <BR>
lossless compression of 24-bit images, and isn't going to have its <BR>
licensing terms changed every time Unisys sneezes.<BR>
<BR>
- -Russell Bornschlegel<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 12:14:30 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Glenn Goffin <gmgoffin@yahoo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Art and attraction<BR>
<BR>
>From: Kenji Schwarz <schwarz@fas.harvard.edu><BR>
<BR>
>I will wait breathlessly for the first Traveller art <BR>
>to depict the Intrepid Adventurers with potbellies<BR>
>and cellulite.<BR>
<BR>
That's not unreasonable, given the character<BR>
generation system that easily leads to characters<BR>
starting out in their late 30s to mid 40s, even<BR>
assuming that they've kept in very good physical<BR>
condition.<BR>
<BR>
I'm sure that we'll be seeing potbellies, cellulite,<BR>
and facial wrinkles real soon now.<BR>
<BR>
- --Glenn<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:33:29 -0500<BR>
From: "Jory Earl" <j-man@iname.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
Frank, go ahead and teach me too, if you are doing something that I can do<BR>
in Visual C++ which is what I'm going to try to learn.<BR>
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- ----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: "Frank Pitt" <frankie@mundens.gen.nz><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 2:07 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program - longish<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
><BR>
> > I'm still trying to figure out how to *apply* my theoretical knowledge<BR>
> > of OO to actual programs. With no success. I can't figure out where to<BR>
> > *start*.<BR>
><BR>
> OK Leonard,. seeing as I _teach_ OO analysis, design, and programming, as<BR>
> well as several languages, (Jade, Java, C++, Visual Basic)  UML, & CORBA,<BR>
> that sounds like a challenge !<BR>
><BR>
> If you want to converse off list, I may be able to help you.<BR>
> Jory, let me know if you wanna be CC'd (as long as Leonard doesn't mind )<BR>
><BR>
> > Anybody know of a good book on OO prgramming in Turbo Pascal?<BR>
><BR>
> Nope. But if you look for a book on OO programming in Delphi it should be<BR>
> applicable.<BR>
> My first commercial specially-commisoned OO program was written in Turbo<BR>
> Pascal.way back in the late eighties.<BR>
><BR>
> It's biggest drawback is that OO is only an "add-on" to Turbo Pascal, and<BR>
> several OO concepts are not enforced by the compiler, but it's a great<BR>
> compiler when it comes to efficiency<BR>
><BR>
> Frankie<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:31:15 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Purina, etc.<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 19:24:32 -0500 (EST), Michael Houghton<BR>
<herveus@Radix.Net> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Howdy!<BR>
<BR>
>> On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 13:41:16 -0500 (EST), Glenn Goffin<BR>
>> <gmgoffin@yahoo.com> wrote:<BR>
 <BR>
>> >>From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
 <BR>
>> >>Chequey of three, gules and argent, a slug passant <BR>
>> >>sable.<BR>
<BR>
>Actually, that would be "checky of nine" (and the "of nine" was omitted<BR>
>in the final form).<BR>
<BR>
Whoops, you're right, Herveus; I was working from memory - and<BR>
obviously it's suffered from some bit rot...<BR>
<BR>
I understand that Justinian is still using that for Sable Slug<BR>
Enterprises, though it's not on the three-by-three.<BR>
 <BR>
>> Sable is indeed a color, but as presented (I think the blazon<BR>
>> should have been "... _overall_ a slug..."), the slug was not<BR>
>> entirely on the central red square, and so squeaked by that way.<BR>
>> Also, it should be noted that the reason for the color-on-color<BR>
>> prohibition was to ensure good contrast; red and black are<BR>
>> generally held to have acceptable contrast on simple<BR>
>> presentations.<BR>
 <BR>
>Not so. Red and black do not have adequate contrast by rule.<BR>
<BR>
When did this change?  Or was I thinking of something different<BR>
(parted fields?)?<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
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jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:31:19 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Chow-chow-chow back on topic!<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:43:36 -0500 (EST), Kiri Aradia Morgan<BR>
<tiamat@tsoft.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>> >I don't even want to think about eating with K'Kree.  <BR>
 <BR>
>> Well, other than the question of table manners, I don't<BR>
>> necessarily see a problem; the menu would of course be vegetarian<BR>
>> - vegan, perhaps - but that doesn't rule out the possibility of<BR>
>> pleasant and interesting combinations of flavors.<BR>
 <BR>
>I was thinking about the fact that they eat in big groups and feed their<BR>
>kids in front of you.<BR>
<BR>
Well, yeah, the feeding the colts in front of you just might be a<BR>
problem - although I suspect that a little strategic planning<BR>
with respect to "seating" arrangements could get around that.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:31:20 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Honorary Kills<BR>
<BR>
On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 21:43:36 -0500 (EST), Black ICE<BR>
<wombat@premier.net> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>I would have to say that a statement such as Kiri's does _not_ count as<BR>
>a keyboard kill (mainly because I'd have to go back and recount!). <BR>
>Think of that as a "You shoulda seen the one that got away!" situation. <BR>
>However, if the would-be victim _awards_ the poster an "honorary kill",<BR>
>that _does_ count (so far, I've seen two since I began the TML KCL<BR>
>project).<BR>
<BR>
>Your skill, Jeff, merely makes you a harder, and thus more-prized,<BR>
>target.<BR>
<BR>
But when I give a kill - like the one that you listed - you don't<BR>
know whether it's an 'honorary' kill (no actual programming fluid<BR>
involved), what I call a 'technical' kill (i.e., if I wasn't able<BR>
to suck it down, you'd have gotten it), or a 'hard' kill (where<BR>
there's really programming fluid all over the place).<BR>
<BR>
As I view it, it's the semantic reaction that counts, rather than<BR>
the actual presence or spewage of fluid - a kill is a kill.<BR>
Otherwise, there would be people who you could never get a kill<BR>
from, because they don't, as a matter of policy (either personal<BR>
or company), partake when near the computer.<BR>
<BR>
(In point of fact, the one that you recorded was a 'technical'.)<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:32:55 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Review: The Naked God by Peter F Hamilton<BR>
<BR>
>Anyway, the final part of the sequence 'The Naked God' was released<BR>
>just before Christmas in the UK, and thanks to a friend I have<BR>
>borrowed his hardback copy and spent three days over the break<BR>
>devouring it.<BR>
<BR>
I thought it came out in October in the UK?<BR>
It just hit the stores in the US the day or two before Christmas. Good<BR>
reading so far.<BR>
My only gripe is that the first two books were divided into paperbacks here.<BR>
i.e.... 4 books instead  2 huge Hardbacks. Now the 3rd has only been<BR>
released in Hardback.<BR>
Not much of a complaint, but I like the books enough to keep them on the<BR>
shelf, now<BR>
I have get the first two in Hardback too :)<BR>
<BR>
A word of note. If you are a UK reader, visit Peter F. Hamilton's official<BR>
website to read a small section that was cut from your versions. Its in the<BR>
US version and he wanted everyone to get to read it.<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:52:56 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Keyboard kills & misc<BR>
<BR>
>Nah, Sable is a mercenary.<BR>
><BR>
>(Mike Grell's comic series from the eighties)<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
And here I was thinking I was the only person to own a complete John Sable,<BR>
Freelance set of Comics. There must be two of us in the world :)<BR>
<BR>
TV<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 16:06:58 -0500<BR>
From: Jeff Zeitlin <jzeitlin@cyburban.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Art and attraction<BR>
<BR>
On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:31:22 -0500 (EST), Kiri Aradia Morgan<BR>
<tiamat@tsoft.com> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Kenji Schwarz wrote:<BR>
 <BR>
>> On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
 <BR>
>> > Who admittedly do a much better job than MOST game editors.  I spent more<BR>
>> > time with the book last night <BR>
 <BR>
>> !!!<BR>
 <BR>
>> And I thought _I_ needed to get out more.<BR>
 <BR>
>Hiroshi and I have often bemoaned the fact that he thought America in<BR>
>general, and I thought SF in particular, would be a place where we'd have<BR>
>much more exciting lives.  But until he conquers his cultural imperative<BR>
>to overwork himself and place himself at the beck and call of co-workers,<BR>
>and until I conquer my tendency to get depressed and weird in the<BR>
>wintertime... it prolly won't happen.<BR>
<BR>
As long as you are in this country, Hiroshi _must_ break those<BR>
cultural imperatives - if he doesn't, he will be taken advantage<BR>
of, and will _never_ have any time for himself - or you.  Make<BR>
him return the beeper and the cellphone to the company, and<BR>
change your home phone to an unpublished number - if they can't<BR>
find him, they can't impose.<BR>
<BR>
As far as getting weird in the winter time, don't worry about it<BR>
- - you're in San Francisco, which is the epicenter of Granola<BR>
Country - the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes!  Weird is<BR>
_normal_ for out there.  And on top of that, you're in the second<BR>
most cultural city in the United States (behind only New York,<BR>
all the way on the other edge of the country).  Go out and get<BR>
some culture.  As far as depression goes, I can't offer any<BR>
_useful_ advice on that, but I believe that a four (it would be<BR>
four for that distance here - probably six out there due to<BR>
traffic) hour drive will get you to where even in winter, it<BR>
feels like summer.  That may help...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Jeff Zeitlin<BR>
jzeitlin@cyburban.com<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:55:14 -0600<BR>
From: "Thomas Vickers" <redroach@flex.net><BR>
Subject: Y2k/Virus protection<BR>
<BR>
>  While we believe we will be fully Y2K compliant by January 1,<BR>
> 2000, we obviously need to make some preparations in case<BR>
> unexpected challenges impair our ability to meet the needs of our<BR>
> community.<BR>
> <BR>
>   Enclosed with this memo is a "Y2K Backup System" device<BR>
> designed to meet short time emergency needs in case of a computer<BR>
> operations failure, or operational delay. This device is the<BR>
> Primary Emergency Network Computer Interface Liaison device;<BR>
> acronym: P.E.N.C.I.L.<BR>
> <BR>
>   This device has been field tested extensively, including<BR>
> certification testing, as well as volume and stress testing.<BR>
> Properly maintained, the device meets all the requirements for<BR>
> coding and data input.<BR>
> <BR>
>   Prior to use, the P.E.N.C.I.L. will require preparation and<BR>
> testing. Tools and supplies required will be: A knife or<BR>
> sharpening device; and a supply of computer paper (with or<BR>
> without holes). Gripping the device firmly in your hand, proceed<BR>
> to scrape or grind the wooden end until it has a cone-like<BR>
> appearance. The dark core area must be exposed to properly<BR>
> function. Place a single sheet of computer paper on a smooth,<BR>
> hard surface. Take the backup device, place the sharpened point<BR>
> against the paper, and pull it across the paper. If properly<BR>
> done, this will input a single line.<BR>
>   CAUTION: Excessive force may damage components of the device or<BR>
> damage the data reception device. If either the P.E.N.C.I.L. or<BR>
> the paper are damaged, go back to the preparation instructions<BR>
> above.<BR>
> <BR>
>   Proper use of the device will require data simulation input by<BR>
> the operator. Placing the device against the computer page<BR>
> forming symbols as closely resembling the computer lettering<BR>
> system you normally use. At the completion of each of the<BR>
> simulated letters, lift the device off the page, move it slightly<BR>
> to the right, replace it against the page, and form the next<BR>
> symbol. This may appear tedious, and somewhat redundant, but,<BR>
> with practice, you should be able to increase your speed<BR>
>  and accuracy.<BR>
> <BR>
>   The P.E.N.C.I.L. is equipped with a manual deletion device. The<BR>
> device is located on the reverse end of the P.E.N.C.I.L. Error<BR>
> deletions operate similarly to the "backspace" key on your<BR>
> computer. Simply place the device against the erroneous data, and<BR>
> pull it backwards over the letters. This should remove the error,<BR>
> and enable you to resume data entries.<BR>
> <BR>
>   CAUTION: Excessive force may damage the data reception device.<BR>
> Insufficient force, however, may result in less than an<BR>
> acceptable deletion, and may require re-initialization of action<BR>
> as above.<BR>
> <BR>
>   This device is designed with user maintenance in mind; however,<BR>
> if technical support is required, you can still call the computer<BR>
> desk supervisor at 1-800-YOU-DUMMY.<BR>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:14:14 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Art and attraction<BR>
<BR>
On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Jeff Zeitlin wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> On Wed, 29 Dec 1999 14:31:22 -0500 (EST), Kiri Aradia Morgan<BR>
> <tiamat@tsoft.com> wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> >On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Kenji Schwarz wrote:<BR>
>  <BR>
> >> On Wed, 29 Dec 1999, Kiri Aradia Morgan wrote:<BR>
>  <BR>
> >> > Who admittedly do a much better job than MOST game editors.  I spent more<BR>
> >> > time with the book last night <BR>
>  <BR>
> >> !!!<BR>
>  <BR>
> >> And I thought _I_ needed to get out more.<BR>
>  <BR>
> >Hiroshi and I have often bemoaned the fact that he thought America in<BR>
> >general, and I thought SF in particular, would be a place where we'd have<BR>
> >much more exciting lives.  But until he conquers his cultural imperative<BR>
> >to overwork himself and place himself at the beck and call of co-workers,<BR>
> >and until I conquer my tendency to get depressed and weird in the<BR>
> >wintertime... it prolly won't happen.<BR>
> <BR>
> As long as you are in this country, Hiroshi _must_ break those<BR>
> cultural imperatives - if he doesn't, he will be taken advantage<BR>
> of, and will _never_ have any time for himself - or you.  Make<BR>
> him return the beeper and the cellphone to the company, and<BR>
> change your home phone to an unpublished number - if they can't<BR>
> find him, they can't impose.<BR>
> <BR>
If we lived together, I would do exactly that.  And we have had this<BR>
conversation about 1000 times!  He seems to be getting it now.  You are so<BR>
right.  I may forward parts of this to him.<BR>
<BR>
> As far as getting weird in the winter time, don't worry about it<BR>
> - you're in San Francisco, which is the epicenter of Granola<BR>
> Country - the land of fruits, nuts, and flakes!  Weird is<BR>
> _normal_ for out there.  And on top of that, you're in the second<BR>
> most cultural city in the United States (behind only New York,<BR>
> all the way on the other edge of the country).  Go out and get<BR>
> some culture.  As far as depression goes, I can't offer any<BR>
> _useful_ advice on that, but I believe that a four (it would be<BR>
> four for that distance here - probably six out there due to<BR>
> traffic) hour drive will get you to where even in winter, it<BR>
> feels like summer.  That may help...<BR>
> <BR>
I'll do that as soon as I can.  I'm just feeling low because I hate<BR>
spending New Year's Day (Oshougatsu) in America.  I'll be hanging out in<BR>
Japantown this weekend and then I'll feel better!<BR>
<BR>
Thanks for caring.  =)<BR>
<BR>
Kiri<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 07:30:38 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Re Image Formats<BR>
<BR>
At 02:22 am 12/28/99 PST, you wrote:<BR>
>In mail you write:<BR>
><BR>
>> The only format I consider decent for vector art is eps. <BR>
>><BR>
>> PNG? What the hell is that? (Yes, I know what it is, but no one<BR>
uses<BR>
>> it (least not for press)).<BR>
>><BR>
>> EPS is portable, and a good choice for vector stuff. If you also<BR>
>> have text, why not just PDF the sucker? (have it include the fonts<BR>
>> if you have some reason to want the exact font you used).<BR>
><BR>
>The best argument against PDF is that as of versuion 3 (or was it<BR>
>version 2) there is *no* DOS viewer. Unlike most of these other<BR>
>format's you need a simply *huge* program to view PDF.<BR>
><BR>
>And as I recall, EPS isn't much better.<BR>
<BR>
	Skip both "EPS" and PDF, and just use straight PS. The GhostScript<BR>
viewer is, unless I'm mistaken, available on *almost* every platform<BR>
with more than 3 users, it's readable by the widest variety of<BR>
programs, and can be simply dumped to a PostScript printer to provide<BR>
hardcopy.<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1999 16:33:46 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Drawing Program<BR>
<BR>
At 09:37 am 12/28/99 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote:<BR>
>There are other, less used compression methods that can crank giles<BR>
down<BR>
>to incredibly small sizes with less loss of apparent resolution,<BR>
using<BR>
<BR>
	Leave Giles alone!<BR>
<BR>
- -- As Dick Cavett put it so eloquently many years ago, "If violence<BR>
in TV and movies causes violence in the world, how come we don't see<BR>
random acts of situation comedy breaking out on the streets?"<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 15:35:40 -0600<BR>
From: Dan Roseberry <rosebee@troi.csw.net><BR>
Subject: Santanocheev, the man...<BR>
<BR>
Half dozen questions about Admiral Lord Santanocheev:<BR>
(sources from Spinward Marches Campaign and TNS)<BR>
<BR>
What language is Santanocheev derived from?<BR>
(I'm thinking Solomani/eastern european-russian.)<BR>
<BR>
Who were Santanocheev's "political and social connections"?<BR>
the persons who had promoted him to Sector Admiral<BR>
<BR>
Were they pushing Santanocheev's promotions in an attempt<BR>
to replace Norris with someone more to their liking?<BR>
<BR>
If so, why were they (S's political connections) upset with<BR>
Norris? (Assuming that they had a different agenda from<BR>
S's political fight with Naval Intelligence).<BR>
<BR>
Finally, after Santanocheev was sacked, he demanded a board of<BR>
inquiry into why he had been relieved (TNS bulletin 010-1110)<BR>
He continued to demand an inquiry after he had retired<BR>
(TNS bulletin 146-1110). What were the results of the inquiry,<BR>
if any? What did he do after he retired?<BR>
<BR>
Dan Roseberry(plop101) In spell check, Norris = Morris.<BR>
Does this mean that Norris is actually a secret agent for the Aslan?<BR>
(Morris the cat, of 9-lives cat food fame)<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 23:47:28 +0200<BR>
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jussi_Kenkkil=E4?= <Jussi.Kenkkila@helsinki.fi><BR>
Subject: Vs: Vilani Elvis<BR>
<BR>
- ----- Original Message ----- <BR>
From: Chris Seamans <semo@pil.net><BR>
To: <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 1999 6:57 AM<BR>
Subject: Vilani Elvis<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
> There's apparently this Finnish Elvis fan and language expert who has put<BR>
> out at least one album of Elvis songs sung in Latin. What really got me<BR>
> interested, though, is that he's planning an album of SUMERIAN Elvis songs.<BR>
> Since the Sumerian language is the basis for Vilani... well, I'm sure all of<BR>
> you can figure out why I brought it up.<BR>
> <BR>
> Are there any Finnish folks on the list?<BR>
> <BR>
Yea. And as far as I know Sumerian has been studied here for quite a long time. Also I remember seeing a documentary about this singing professor, and seeing some promo/record piture of him dressed in a flowing toga. If I just could remember his name or the pseudonym he uses on his records (docto something???)...<BR>
<BR>
- -J2K<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 21:44:16 GMT<BR>
From: "Boris Cibic" <kafka47@hotmail.com><BR>
Subject: Help!  Need characters!<BR>
<BR>
Hi all!<BR>
   Does anyone have a computer program (IBM compactible preferable Windows <BR>
95) which can generate characters?  I will be running an adventure for an <BR>
upcoming con...I need two Marine character (2 terms); one Naval attache (2 <BR>
terms); one army (5 terms).  I would prefer if that they were generated <BR>
using the Advanced Character Generation scheme (otherwise, Mercenary & High <BR>
Guard).<BR>
   BTW, whose attending Pandemonium in Toronto, Canada?<BR>
Send info to: kafka47@hotmail.com<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1999 13:50:54 -0800 (PST)<BR>
From: Kiri Aradia Morgan <tiamat@tsoft.com><BR>
Subject: Iolanthe<BR>
<BR>
What is known about Iolanthe prior to her marriage to Strephon?<BR>
<BR>
I once played a character in a campaign who had known her when they were<BR>
girls, but am not sure how much of the info I was given was canon and how<BR>
much the ref made up.<BR>
<BR>
Kiri  =)<BR>
<BR>
******************************************************************************<BR>
Kiri Aradia Morgan                                  93!  Thou Art God<BR>
tiamat@tsoft.com<BR>
<BR>
"If time passes, everything turns into beauty<BR>
If the rains stop, tears clean the scars of memory away<BR>
Everything starts wearing fresh colors<BR>
Every sound begins playing a heartfelt melody<BR>
Jealousy embellishes a page of the epic<BR>
Desire is embraced in a dream..."              -- X-JAPAN<BR>
<BR>
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